Mary Kissel appears on The John Batchelor Show to explain why a strategic decoupling and realistic planning, rather than hoping for fair trade or stability from the current Chinese regime, is the way forward in the United States’ relationship with China.
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Turkey's President Tayyip Erdogan, Japan's Prime Minister Sanae Takaichi, and Indonesia's Vice President Gibran Rakabuming Raka during the G20 Leaders' Summit in Johannesburg, South Africa, on November 22, 2025. (Getty Images)